webpup on #MOD[Tue Sep 12 19:09:13
<Shan> check out page 91
<Shan> Hi, Marcia and
<D_Han> aren't you a little ahead of the class?
<D_Han> I do believe the
assignment was to read only ch.1 from both books
<Shan> these are not my
questions, remember. They are Dr. B's
<Shan> Marcia and webpup...the
first question was: What is the main difference between a "liberal" and a
<Shan> Anyone care to take a stab?
<Marcia1> computers that
<shane> conservative like less goverment
<Marcia1> Who is our leader?
<Shan> I am...Shannon
<D_Han> a liberal is someone who believes the government should help
<Marcia1> What does a moderate believe?
<D_Han> with problems such as
health, education and welfare
<Shan> Marcia 1: the first
question was : What is the main difference between a "liberal" and a
<Shan> Right, D_Han
<Shan> a moderate sort of "sits
on the fence" between platforms. That's an oversimplified answer, I'm
<Marcia1> I see
Hi, Cecelia. The first question is: what is the main
difference between a "liberal" and a "conservative"?
<Shan> D_Han - did you get to the
<Shan> Hi, y1
<D_Han> that has been asnwered
<Cecilia> Hello! I lost the connection for a moment. Could you repeat the
<D_Han> it was answered by shane
<Shan> gotcha...sorry 'bout
<D_Han> so i guess its on to the next question?
<Marcia1> A conservative also
believes that individuals are responsible for themselves
<Shan> So, the main difference
would be related to domestic affairs and the govt.'s
<D_Han> i believe so
<Marcia1> The main difference-as
a definition, but today the lines seem to be blurred
<Shan> So, along those
lines...Which is more threatened today in America - the rights of individuals or
the rights of the majority?
<Shan> How so, Marcia
<Cecilia> The rights of majority.
<Marcia1> It seems that there are
so many different versions of each party
<Shan> hold that thought,
Cecilia! I'm curious to hear why!
<Marcia1> No more one or the
<Shan> different versions?
<Marcia1> I agree with
<Shan> Hi Claudine
<Cecilia> Right now the whites
are 49.7%, latinos 37%, blacks 6.7%, etc, etc
<Shan> we're discussing the
differences between "liberals" and "conservatives"
<Marcia1> Mod/cons, lib/mod,
<shane> Hey claudine
<Shan> I see, Marcia
<Shan> so are you saying that there appear to be moderates sitting within
every party now?
Some of differing party leaders can actually have very
<Shan> do you think this is a total negative or can it be
<Shan> jump on in anytime everyone!
<Marcia1> I think now days they
have to be moderate in order to try to please the most
<shane> I agree with marcia
<Shan> the "chameleon" (sp?)
<shane> moderates go after there own need and
<Shan> Hi yj
which is fine if you know what they really are going to
stand for in the end
what did I miss
<Shan> discussing main difference
between conservatives and liberals, yj
<Marcia1> I think most
politicians are afraid of being too extreme
<shane> There are good point to
both conservative and liberals its the extremes which frighten
<Marcia1> Shane-that is the difficulty
<Shan> I think maybe Marcia is stating that with all the blurring, it's
hard to tell what they believe in for real
<Shan> Well, we should move to the next
<shane> Oh just look whos paying there bills you will know how they think
<claudine> A conservative is someone who favors the more traditional views.
They don't like changes.
so who is the leader
<Cecilia> Liberals need to
embrace a politics of liberty and community. Conservatives who claim to believe
in family values should want to relieve families of some of the presure placed
upon them by work and economic distress.
<Shan> Which is more threatened
in America today, the rights of individuals or the rights of the
<Shan> I am...shannon here, yj
Cecilia- that goes against their beliefs of taking care of
<claudine> I belive the rights of the majority since they don't have the
overwhelming vote. The majority tends to be the middle class and poorer people
and they are known not to vote.
<Cecilia> that is correct
<al> what the
<Marcia1> There are no majorities anymore, are there?
<shane> There are majorities of minorities
<Shan> topic is: Which is more
threatened in America today, the rights of individuals or the rights of the
<Cecilia> there is no single ethnic majority.
<shane> and unfortunatly these
are the people who have the strenght to make a
if we can convince them of the importance of
<claudine> there is a majority they just don't vote
<Marcia1> So maybe an individual
can get more rights today
<Shan> Shane - convince who...the
middle class and the poor?
<shane> they dont vote becuse
they truly believe one person cannot make a change
<Shan> I was thinking that too,
<shane> yes the midlle class and poor and young
<yj> I think most people don't have faith in their voting that is why
they don't vote
<shane> how many times do we here people saying oh what the point in
voting its just one vote
<Cecilia> way too
but one vote multiplied by millons makes a
<yj> that is true
<Marcia1> That is our biggest
<Shan> Dr. B
<DrB> I can
<D_Han> but some don't have the time to vote
<yj> people need to be more
<DrB> that you are all a little unused...
<DrB> Hold, on Han...
<Marcia1> Apathy starts with disinterest with the
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<Shan> let's cover one more question...
<Shan> Does ethnic diversity
necessarily produce political conflict?
<claudine> yes, indeed it does.
Because many immigrants don't vote, they do not get right
<Shan> How does that produce conflict? Anyone?
I think only conflict within each group- they are really
left out of the real conflict of dicision making
<Shan> what sort of political
conflict would that bring about?
<Shan> anyone else besides Marcia 1 and Claudine have imput on
<claudine> I don't agree that the conflict is within each group since each
group has a representative. I belive that the vote is not strong enough and that
they consistantly loose the vote.
<Shan> that's interesting,
<Marcia1> I don't believe they
get to share their conflict, because many groups have no
<Shan> no, Marcia 1? You feel there isn't proper
Not of the many minorities we were speaking of, and those
that choose not to vote.
<Shan> With so many factors
regarding individual opinion, how do you think representation for the masses
could be better, Marcia?
<Shan> Anyone else care to jump
<Marcia1> More voters actually voting.
the masses nned to take back more of there power and stop
relying on a federal government to fix everything\
<Shan> A more conservative
approach there, Shane. I see.
<Shan> Here's another question then...Should Americans have to identify
their "race and ethnicity" when filling put gvt. forms?
<Shan> Marcia, go
<yj> Of course not
<Shan> hold that thought,
<glory> hello, can anyone answer me.
<Shan> Why not,
<Shan> Hi Glory
<Marcia1> I agree with Shane, but
our society has gotten lazy. I feel they is so much mixed races now that it
isn't a good idea.
what is the honest reasoning for need ethnicity on
<yj> I don't see why it should matter
<glory> what is the point right
now, i think i lost most of the best.
<Shan> Honestly, I don't know. I
am opposed to it but I am also opposed to gender on some gvt.
<Shan> Hold on, glory
<Shan> Cecelia - you had a
<Cecilia> We should learn from the Canadians: they already changed their
<Shan> And that was another part of the question here, Cecelia. So you
agree with the Canadians then
Yes, I do.
<D_Han> why are so many people
against putting their ethnicity on govt forms?
<D_Han> I mean I personally believe you should put your ethnicity on
<Shan> Why, D_Han?
<D_Han> it at least lets the govt
keep track on which ethnicity is keeping up in politics.
<D_Han> just to at least know
where each ethnicity stands when it comes to politics
<shane> I agree with you shannon
what does your skin color or gender have to do in the long
<Shan> is there another way that this could be done,
Which of my 5 backgrounds should I pick and do I need to
give a percetage of each?
<Shan> go ahead
<Shan> Hmmm, Marcia. that's an interesting
<Shan> shane rather, sorry
<shane> In response to d-Han why
does the government need this info give me an understanding of its
<Shan> anyone else with an opinion on this?
<Shan> Claudine 2
<Shan> Claudine 2 - you can speak!
<Shan> no one else?
Does anyone know if we are the only country that does
<Shan> and shane...looks like it's class time (or nearly that
<Shan> I don't know that answer but we should ask Dr.
<yj> what do we do now
<Shan> the link for the classroom
is on the e-mail from Dr. B - do you all have it?
<glory> no i
<Marcia1> yes- go there now?
<DrB> It's time...
<DrB> to switch over to the main
<Shan> okay...thanks, all!
<DrB> Everybody know how?
<DrB> Enter the following,
without the quotation marks...
<DrB> " /join #polsc1